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Облачные технологии в последние годы стремительно развиваются

при переводе в облако ИТ-инфраструктуры компаний и технологий поставщиков программного обеспечения. Мы попросили 4 ведущих поставщиков облачных программных решений для горнодобывающей промышленности присоединиться к нам в обсуждении того, какую пользу облачные технологии могут принести горнодобывающей отрасли и каково будущее облачных решений в сфере добычи полезных ископаемых.

Обзор

спикеров

Федерико Арболеда (Federico Arboleda)
Директор по продажам Imago компании Seequent

Джоди Конрад (Jody Conrad)
Основатель и генеральный директор Krux Analytics

Дэвид Перес (David Peres)
Соучредитель и генеральный директор Minalytix

Алекс Пиенаар (Alex Pienaar)
Директор по продажам инфраструктуры Интернета вещей компании Bentley Systems

Пенни Свордз
Директор, Seequent Evo, компания Seequent

Продолжительность

35 минут

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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />A warm welcome to everyone today.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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Today’s session we’re talking about The Future of Mining,
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how cloud technology is enabling faster decisions
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through automation and collaboration.
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And today I have a panel of experts in the field
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and we’re going to have a discussion on cloud technology.
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And so Federico over to you,
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would you like to introduce yourself?
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Thank you, Penny.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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Yeah, I’m Federico Arboleda, I’m the Founder of Imago,
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but now 30 days ago we were acquired by Seequent,
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so I’m now the Director of Imago Sales
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based at the Phoenix, Arizona.
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />David.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Hi, my name’s David Peres.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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I’m a Co-founder and CEO of Minalytix.
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Our company has developed the world’s first software
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as a service product for the management of drilling
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and sample data.
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Thank you.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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Alex.
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Hi, my name is Alex Pienaar and I’m the Director of Sales<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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for Bentley Systems Infrastructure, IoT Department
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based here in San Diego, California.
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Thanks Alex, and Jody.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Hi, I’m Jody Conrad,<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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the Founder and CEO of Krux Analytics
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based in Calgary, Alberta.
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Great, thanks everyone.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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And to kick off the discussion today,
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let’s talk about what cloud native means to you.
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So, David, what does cloud native mean to you?
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />So I think to me, cloud native means applications<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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that are designed to exist in the cloud
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and that take advantage of, you know,
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the benefits that the cloud offers.
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Typically the architecture of these applications
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is that they’re made up of a group of microservices
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that are built into containers
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and then each microservice
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would kind of accomplish an individual task, if you will.
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So it’s a way of segregating these various tasks
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so that the impact of an error in one task
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doesn’t necessarily diminish the performance
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of the overall system.
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These characteristics
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also allow you to work on these various microservices
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segregated from others, so that, you know,
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it promotes a continuous integration,
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continuous improvement sort of platform
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that allows providers of these types of applications
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to put out new updates and fixes to a large audience
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on a very rapid and continuous basis.
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />That’s great.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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And how does that differ other types
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of cloud native environments?
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Sorry can I, I missed it?<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Oh, how does cloud native,<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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how does that differ to other types of cloud environments?
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Sure, so cloud native<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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would mean that everything that you’re using and building
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sits in the cloud, whereas,
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you know, sometimes you might have a sort of hybrid approach
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where you’ve got some desktop software
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that may be pushing data into a database
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or a data store that sits on the cloud.
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A cloud native would have every application
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sitting on the cloud
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and make use of things like APIs, for example,
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to speak with other cloud applications
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so that customers who use these types of things
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might be able to build entire workflows in the cloud
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without a reliance on any kind of a desktop software.
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Okay, great.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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Federico did you have something to add to that?
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Yeah, I guess it’s important to know that traditionally,<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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when we were kind of making a decision
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to start an organization or a company
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to serve the mining industry,
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we were forced because of history to say, well,
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are you going to be a desktop application
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and work within the ecosystem of the company
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or are you going to go cloud?
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Now, it’s really hard to do this hybrid approach.
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And it was a really hard decision for us initially,
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five years to say, well,
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are we going to take the bet and go cloud only
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because the future of mining
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and the future of all industries is cloud,
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or do we try to appease the current status quo
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which was this hybrid environment or this local environment
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where, you know,
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the mining organizations wanted their data stored locally.
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And we took the risk and I think it’s paid off,
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but it is a really hard decision to make
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from the onset organization.
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And that means that traditional organizations
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will have been desktop based,
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it’s a hard transition for them to make as well.
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And to be really cloud native is a difficult thing
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because that decision has to be made
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and it just affects the entire architecture going forward.
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />I can add to that as well.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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With cloud native, you know,
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it’s sometimes hard to believe
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that your data is in the cloud,
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but you can still with a cloud application,
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get your data into those local databases.
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So it doesn’t mean it has to live in breathe there,
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you can still take it out of the cloud.
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The other thing
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that’s really as an advantage for us building new software
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with a truly cloud native product
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allows us to spin up servers in new locations
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and leverage other networks that already exist
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to ensure speed and the customer experience
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is consistent regardless of where they are.
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Great, thanks.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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Alex, what are the different forms of cloud services?
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Penny, so that’s a great question.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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And that leads off so well from the previous comments
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made by my fellow panelists.
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I’m going to answer it from an IoT perspective,
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but every cloud deployment abstracts, pools
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and shares scalable computing resources across a network,
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and that’s commonly referred to as cloud computing.
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And every deployment
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is created using a unique mix of technologies
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which almost always includes an operating system,
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some form of management platform
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and an application programming interfaces or APIs.
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But when you look at the different types of cloud services
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from an IoT perspective,
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there are two main services of interest.
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The first is infrastructure as a service or IaaS
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which means a cloud service provider
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manages the actual infrastructure on your behalf.
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So the servers, the network,
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the data storage, processing power provision
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all of that infrastructure
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is all provided to the user as a service.
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The second type is software as a service
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or SaaS as it’s more commonly known.
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And this is where the software application itself,
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which the provider manages, is delivered to the users.
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Typically SaaS apps are web or mobile applications
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that users can access via a web browser.
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So software updates, bug fixes
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and all other general maintenance of that application
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are taken care of for the user by the provider.
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Essentially,
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this eliminates the need to install an application locally
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and allows for greater methods of group or team access
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to the actual software.
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Okay, so if all of that data<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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is being managed by the cloud provider,
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what does that mean for your data security?
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Is this a risk for our customers?
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Is it just a perceived risk?
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Jody, do you want to take a stab at that.
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />If you don’t mind,<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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maybe I can just touch a little bit on Alex’s question.
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If you don’t mind I just wanted to mention
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that one of the things that I really I’m encouraged by,
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and I think will happen
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is that a lot of providers in our industry
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will become API as a service.
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So what they’ll do is they won’t have like a front end,
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but I think that one of the things that will happen
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is that you’ll be like a processing engine.
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So you might get a file,
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you do something with that file and then you return it,
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but there’s no real interface to that end customer.
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So this whole ecosystem of cloud services
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will evolve to the point that people will just be able
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to kind of use these providers
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without having a physical interface there.
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It’s just like a service
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that will begin to be offered as well.
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And I’m really excited about this API as a service
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and what that can bring to the industry.
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Hmm, and it’s about connecting the data in the cloud<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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between the different providers as well, isn’t it?
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />That’s exactly.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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Yeah, that I think is going to be the key
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is like, look at us here, you know,
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we’re four different technologies
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that can actually interact very easily and seamlessly
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because of the services that are now available.
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />And I just even echo that a little bit.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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I think what it does is it lends itself towards automation
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and watching data flow through these sort of pipelines
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without having to interact as Federico has said.
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Yeah, absolutely.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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So then data security.
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So Jody, in your view, is there a risk around data security
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for having all of this data
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flowing through different providers in the cloud?
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Yeah, or are there risks?
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Penny, it’s a great question.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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And at the end of the day, whether you’re using your own
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internal on-prem desktop application
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or you’re using a SaaS piece software,
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you have to trust the person
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that is managing that software for you.
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So you need to trust the company that you’re going with,
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that’s providing you that SaaS software
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because they are handling that infrastructure
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on the backend.
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One of the key ways
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to know that companies are taking that seriously
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is very similar, there’s an ISO standard,
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there’s SOC 2 certifications.
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And really what that means
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is that that company is entering a contract with you
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to provide you with software.
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And what they state in there is actually the service
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and the level of security that they provide
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and they’re being audited against that.
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And so I think there’s a huge advantage going with SaaS.
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And when we talk about the IaaS component
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for infrastructure as a service,
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most SaaS companies, Krux included,
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is using Microsoft Azure,
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some people are using Amazon web services, but these clients
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probably have a more sophisticated data security
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and infrastructure services
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than you can provide locally yourself.
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />I also think that there’s two components<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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that are not fully discussed
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when we talk about security in the cloud.
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Well, one is what type of data is it that you’re handling,
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like your cyber security teams review
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and say, well, if it is maybe I’ll just imagery
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because that’s what we manage.
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Maybe a picture that doesn’t have that much security risk
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as perhaps coordinates or an asset.
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So that’s another part of the conversation
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when we’re talking about cyber security protocols.
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And then the other aspect that I think is quite important
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is that a lot of times the conversation focuses on risk
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of the data,
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but what about the risk of not using these technologies
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and falling behind?
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What about the risk
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of not being able to harness the power of the cloud
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and the power of what we’re doing today?
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So it’s kind of like saying to us,
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well, it’s too risky to be doing this video together here
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in this conversation because people can see it.
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But the other risk is that we can’t share this video
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and what is more risky?
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />So Federico you talk about the benefits<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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of putting data in the cloud
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above the risk of not doing it.
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David what is the benefits
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of using applications in the cloud for our customers?
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Right, so I think we’ve touched<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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on a couple of these things already.
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You know, we’ve spoken a little bit
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about the integration capabilities
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and the fact that if, you know,
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if you’re putting your data in the cloud
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it then affords you the ability to link that data
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and use it with various cloud providers
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to achieve a greater solution set
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than if you’re sort of doing things independently
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on a desktop sort of
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or network distributed type of solution.
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One of the big benefits
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and so as a sort of a cloud-first provider, you know,
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Minalytix as a company from day one
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we’ve taken the cloud first approach
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in terms of the vendors that we use.
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So as a small business,
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we were able to go and make use of products
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across the various parts of our business accounting,
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human resources and so on
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to stitch together a really incredible solution
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that’s all integrated and allows, you know,
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from our small perspective,
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it allowed our company to sort of accelerate really quickly
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without needing to hire an entire IT staff,
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without having to buy servers.
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You know, we’re a software vendor
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and we don’t own a server, you know,
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and this is something that could not have been possible
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prior to the cloud.
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You know, it really allowed us to accelerate.
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And if you think about the scale of a large scale company,
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obviously all of these things translate there as well
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and can make that a much better experience there too.
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Yeah, just to add to that, David.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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You know, one of those benefits
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of using cloud-based technology or SaaS companies as well,
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is that reduced overhead for your organization.
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I mean, how many times are you going to field,
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you have a local data center
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and you have how many people managing that equipment
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that can all be taken away by using some SaaS softwares.
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And we similarly have used most SaaS based applications
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to run our business
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which has helped keep our overhead low
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and have more focus on the development in our software.
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />That’s good, so lots of benefits for our customers,<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
[00:14:19.510] 
but what about for us in terms of software development?
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How does cloud-based technologies enable you
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to deliver better solutions to your clients?
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Alex, did you want to take that one?
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Yeah, thanks Penny.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
[00:14:33.000] 
And again, another great question.
[00:14:34.517] 
And it leads on so nicely from all of the other comments
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that we’ve had up to this point.
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But, I was at a customer site not too long ago
[00:14:43.100] 
and during my visit, the IT Department,
[00:14:46.090] 
they were running all over the site
[00:14:48.140] 
trying to find old Windows machines,
[00:14:51.647] 
trying to load a patch or some update that was identified
[00:14:56.180] 
or needed because of the vulnerability.
[00:14:58.670] 
And that just reminded me, as Jody said of the overhead
[00:15:01.450] 
that is associated with on-premise systems
[00:15:04.330] 
and maintaining all of these legacy systems
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and all of these old servers
[00:15:09.800] 
that are needed to run these sensor networks
[00:15:11.720] 
because these, you know,
[00:15:12.553] 
some of the sensor technology is 30 years old.
[00:15:15.700] 
And I think that through the cloud
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we are able to innovate faster,
[00:15:19.911] 
we’re able to roll out new features faster.
[00:15:22.680] 
we’re able to globally roll out patches and fixes
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within hours after the need has been identified.
[00:15:31.600] 
And if that fix is applied, it’s rolled out universally.
[00:15:36.580] 
Customers no longer have to worry about compatibility
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and an upgrade dependencies
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because that’s all taken care of through the cloud.
[00:15:43.800] 
In effect, I’m seeing that our customer base, you know,
[00:15:47.840] 
they’re really jumping that S-curve
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in terms of efficiency and productivity.
[00:15:55.571] 
<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />You know, one thing that is also very interesting to add<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
[00:15:59.730] 
is our customers are in very remote locations.
[00:16:03.930] 
You know, they could be out in the middle of Africa
[00:16:07.110] 
or up in the middle of Finland and they’re connecting
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via very, very low bandwidth satellite communications.
[00:16:14.850] 
And everybody thinks, oh, no, no,
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the cloud is not appropriate because they’re so remote.
[00:16:19.340] 
But what about the difficulty of establishing a network
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under those conditions of bringing in people and specialists
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to maintain that hardware and those servers
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under those conditions?
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So, as we know, technology and bandwidth
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is improving that cellular communications
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and really it’s no longer an issue.
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So the challenge is like saying,
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well, is it harder for that customer
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to maintain that hardware infrastructure,
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that IT infrastructure locally under servers,
[00:16:45.190] 
or is it easier for them to get bandwidth communication?
[00:16:49.700] 
And I think that’s something
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that is becoming easier and easier to understand
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that you can deliver those level of service
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much easier to these remote locations as well,
[00:16:58.823] 
than in the past and that we can do the continuous upgrades
[00:17:01.930] 
and the patches that you were actually mentioning.
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So it’s kind of like a win-win.
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Absolutely.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
[00:17:12.726] 
What about the adoption curve of cloud technology
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in the mining sector?
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Federico, have you seen a change
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in a shift towards the cloud in the mining sector?
[00:17:26.400] 
<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Yeah, I think that, you know,<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
[00:17:28.230] 
before it was kind of like everyone
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who was coming out of school would ask the question
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why aren’t we using cloud,
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why isn’t it as simple as with our digital devices?
[00:17:38.840] 
Like, why isn’t it as easy to connect with people
[00:17:41.020] 
and do the jobs that we’re doing as we do in our iPhones
[00:17:44.030] 
in our current schools, students were asking that.
[00:17:46.270] 
Now I see that it’s the managers
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and the people who have been there for awhile
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who are beginning to ask that same questions.
[00:17:52.640] 
So I definitely,
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in seeing that adoption curve getting easier,
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especially nowadays with COVID
[00:18:00.608] 
it has actually gotten much, much, much simpler.
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Actually as well,
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the technology makes it run faster as well, right.
[00:18:09.870] 
Because I used to work for another company
[00:18:12.700] 
that was a desktop based store.
[00:18:14.370] 
And I remember having to deploy that technology
[00:18:16.840] 
and having to send people to site for 20 days
[00:18:19.680] 
to prepare the infrastructure, to train the people,
[00:18:21.840] 
to do all these things that we needed to do
[00:18:23.670] 
to get them going.
[00:18:24.990] 
And so the fact that we can,
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all of us here on this conversation
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can now deploy in hours versus weeks,
[00:18:31.610] 
means that that technology adoption is happening faster,
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is actually fostering faster
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because the technology allows that to happen.
[00:18:42.490] 
<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />And if I could just add onto that,<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
[00:18:45.400] 
I think earlier in the conversation,
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Federico said that as cloud provider,
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cloud first providers or cloud native providers,
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we had to make a decision
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whether we would go all cloud at the beginning, you know,
[00:18:57.800] 
when we started these companies and built these products,
[00:19:00.750] 
and I can say it was a tough decision
[00:19:02.730] 
and at the time we were discussing like hybrid
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because, you know, six, seven years ago,
[00:19:09.560] 
people were still a little bit nervous about the cloud
[00:19:11.886] 
and a number of companies that we spoke to early on
[00:19:15.090] 
said, oh, we’ll never adopt the cloud.
[00:19:17.260] 
Well, I’m happy to say that some of them are now customers.
[00:19:20.600] 
So you’re seeing a definite change.
[00:19:26.970] 
<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Yeah, for sure we’re seeing that at Seequent as well.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
[00:19:30.069] 
definitely a shift of industry.
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Let’s talk about the future.
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Jody, what opportunities within the mining industry
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do you see in the future with cloud-based technology?
[00:19:45.621] 
<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />That’s a great question, Penny.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
[00:19:48.980] 
It really is limitless of where we can go.
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I mean, I look back to my days in the oil and gas industry
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and we used to go out and install satellite dishes
[00:19:58.100] 
on every rig so that we could have real live streaming data.
[00:20:02.130] 
Well, with the new stuff,
[00:20:03.820] 
coming out with the new satellite internet,
[00:20:05.956] 
the better connectivity just across the world,
[00:20:09.827] 
the opportunities are growing every day.
[00:20:14.023] 
and that connectivity,
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the ability to get items into remote locations.
[00:20:19.730] 
So I’m excited for what’s happening.
[00:20:22.670] 
I mean, some of the data
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and the ability to get live data out of the field
[00:20:28.810] 
has existed in other industries for a period of time,
[00:20:32.500] 
but it’s only going to get easier,
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which is going to make that adoption
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easier for mining to take on.
[00:20:42.156] 
<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Yeah, that’s a great comment, Jody.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
[00:20:44.830] 
And one of the things that excite me about the future
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is the interoperability.
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And I think Federico mentioned that, but just sharing data,
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I mean, data move through applications via APIs
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is the exciting part to me.
[00:20:59.132] 
Today we can move data
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from sensemetrics to Seequent flawlessly
[00:21:05.430] 
that was a very manual process in the past,
[00:21:09.040] 
required USB drives and Excel spreadsheets
[00:21:12.160] 
and a lot of data wrangling to enable that connection.
[00:21:15.950] 
And today all of that is possible
[00:21:17.860] 
through the power of APIs.
[00:21:22.568] 
<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Yeah, also I think I’ll add,<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
[00:21:25.640] 
sorry, just to add to that, Alex.
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I agree with that completely.
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And the other piece about it
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is I’ve always said you should use the right tool
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or the right software for the job.
[00:21:36.920] 
Each software has a specific purpose and provides value,
[00:21:41.120] 
but the data as a whole
[00:21:42.520] 
is still required to run your operation.
[00:21:44.960] 
You’ll see a huge shift
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for many companies that used to use ERP systems
[00:21:49.750] 
that are now looking for more cloud based SaaS applications
[00:21:53.040] 
that they can bring it back
[00:21:54.310] 
to one central reporting platform
[00:21:56.350] 
and APIs are going to allow us to do that.
[00:22:00.796] 
<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />What I find really neat and interesting<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
[00:22:04.250] 
is that before, what the industry was trying to do
[00:22:07.710] 
was build like one single system that did everything.
[00:22:11.130] 
So it did mine planning, it did geology,
[00:22:13.130] 
it did environmental, it did database
[00:22:15.330] 
and they kind of had a monopoly on that site
[00:22:18.280] 
of all the tools that were available.
[00:22:20.810] 
What the cloud is enabling for me
[00:22:23.120] 
is kind of like these little niche specialists come into play.
[00:22:26.630] 
And because these niche specialists
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can now talk to each other,
[00:22:29.700] 
it means,
[00:22:30.533] 
that you can actually have best of breed technologies
[00:22:31.960] 
in this little segment
[00:22:33.660] 
and then you can begin to offer a better value proposition
[00:22:37.870] 
than the larger all encompassing system
[00:22:41.150] 
that does everything, but it does it mediocrely, right.
[00:22:43.630] 
So now a lot of providers
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can do these little niche activities,
[00:22:47.274] 
but do it very, very well
[00:22:49.270] 
and therefore we can compete as a whole,
[00:22:52.780] 
as a whole ecosystem with the traditional players.
[00:22:58.290] 
And that means as well,
[00:22:59.530] 
that it’s better for the customer, right.
[00:23:01.170] 
Because the customer now is not monopolized, I guess,
[00:23:06.869] 
has more opportunity for innovation
[00:23:08.934] 
and insights to new tools
[00:23:11.070] 
because of this new ecosystem that the cloud enables.
[00:23:17.650] 
<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Yeah, and for me, it’s all about the outcome.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
[00:23:20.950] 
So what’s the outcome of it?
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So we’re connecting all this data in the cloud,
[00:23:24.360] 
we’re being able to bring it together,
[00:23:25.630] 
you’re able to use niche applications
[00:23:27.560] 
to do the job that you want to be able to do.
[00:23:29.740] 
And the outcome for the customer
[00:23:31.070] 
is being able to make better decisions in a faster way.
[00:23:34.420] 
So David talked about the power of the cloud,
[00:23:37.000] 
enabling automation.
[00:23:38.770] 
And the reason why we want to automate things
[00:23:41.350] 
and remove those manual processes
[00:23:43.245] 
is because they take months in order to get to a decision.
[00:23:47.870] 
And so by automating data,
[00:23:49.740] 
having data flow through the cloud
[00:23:51.794] 
in a connected way across all of the different applications
[00:23:56.040] 
that do a specific task,
[00:23:58.300] 
means that ultimately at the end of the day
[00:24:01.390] 
is that there’s communication, there’s collaboration
[00:24:05.250] 
and there’s better decision-making internally on data
[00:24:09.970] 
which is known and a decision can be made.
[00:24:17.210] 
<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />I also think that with the automation<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
[00:24:19.560] 
and removal of some of the menial data management tasks
[00:24:22.560] 
and pushing files here and there,
[00:24:24.460] 
you’re allowing your highly educated professional workforce
[00:24:28.410] 
to spend more time innovating
[00:24:30.100] 
and thinking of the next way to solve a problem
[00:24:32.870] 
or a better way to solve a problem than just pushing paper.
[00:24:39.530] 
<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Yeah, exactly.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
[00:24:40.680] 
Or using Excel to manipulate data (laughing).
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Correct (laughing).<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
[00:24:44.970] 
<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Which, you know, I wonder what’s going to happen, right?<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
[00:24:47.460] 
Because I wonder if now that you can do these work,
[00:24:51.530] 
these types of jobs remotely,
[00:24:53.000] 
we’ll begin to have like specialists teams
[00:24:55.140] 
now that you can maybe outsource these tasks
[00:24:59.352] 
to compile that group of work
[00:25:01.426] 
and do it maybe in a remote location.
[00:25:02.890] 
So a large mining organization can then say,
[00:25:05.230] 
have like a geotechnical team and that’s all they do,
[00:25:08.190] 
and they do it from a central location,
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I don’t know, in Brisbane,
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that’s the name of nice city of the world,
[00:25:12.940] 
and therefore you don’t have to have a distributor,
[00:25:16.050] 
you can actually begin to centralize
[00:25:17.310] 
and bring those efficiencies.
[00:25:19.600] 
<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Absolutely.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
[00:25:20.580] 
And you think about the potential cost savings
[00:25:22.700] 
for fly in fly out operations.
[00:25:24.480] 
When, you know, sensor technology
[00:25:26.580] 
continues to get better
[00:25:27.870] 
and imagery continues to get better in video
[00:25:30.698] 
and keeping people at home with their families
[00:25:34.010] 
and giving them the ability to work in remote locations
[00:25:36.858] 
from these nice spots is going to attract, you know,
[00:25:40.070] 
talent into the mining industry.
[00:25:42.050] 
A lot of talent didn’t show up at the mining industry
[00:25:44.440] 
because they didn’t want to fly away for three weeks
[00:25:47.260] 
and leave their families behind
[00:25:48.595] 
or have to go work in some of these remote locations
[00:25:51.560] 
that may be, you know, in the case where I live in Canada,
[00:25:54.290] 
could be minus 45, minus 50, you know.
[00:25:57.380] 
So I think that there’s some really neat opportunities
[00:25:59.690] 
coming down the pipe for the, you know,
[00:26:02.530] 
the people that are going to be graduating
[00:26:03.880] 
and coming into this space.
[00:26:08.588] 
<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Yeah, that’s an excellent point.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
[00:26:09.560] 
And it’s something really to think about it
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’cause we’re seeing it in other areas of specialty
[00:26:13.940] 
is like companies who do adopt cloud technology
[00:26:16.770] 
and make it easier for people to work from home
[00:26:20.100] 
or work in other locations
[00:26:22.387] 
are going to be the ones that attract those resources
[00:26:25.730] 
more than companies that require you
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to be working in a minus 45 degree weather,
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somewhere in the middle of nowhere (laughing).
[00:26:39.600] 
What about COVID, has COVID changed that situation at all?
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Or has it brought light onto the subject
[00:26:44.470] 
or have we seen a difference in adoption because of COVID,
[00:26:48.080] 
how’s COVID affected the way people use
[00:26:52.150] 
and view the cloud, Federico?
[00:26:55.950] 
<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Well, I guess I can share my personal experience.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
[00:26:59.079] 
I don’t know if the others can comment,
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but from our experience is since January,
[00:27:03.830] 
we kind of duplicated insides
[00:27:06.360] 
and it’s very sad that it was because of COVID, you know,
[00:27:08.850] 
that actually made this happen,
[00:27:10.600] 
but I think it does show what the future entails, right.
[00:27:13.890] 
I think that remote working
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is going to continue to be the trend
[00:27:19.303] 
and we’ll continue to do that.
[00:27:21.730] 
So these types of technologies enable remote working
[00:27:25.340] 
and they’re here to stay.
[00:27:27.940] 
So COVID has actually helped the adoption of our solution,
[00:27:31.740] 
for sure.
[00:27:32.630] 
I wonder what do you…
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Was it the same for the others in the group?
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />I can say that absolutely we saw a similar sort of rise<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
[00:27:42.010] 
in customer base based on COVID, you know,
[00:27:45.140] 
which again, you know,
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it’s a really sad thing to have happened, obviously.
[00:27:48.230] 
And I think it just put a light on the fact that, you know,
[00:27:52.170] 
it’s important to be able to work in this fashion.
[00:27:54.845] 
And I’ll say that in the exploration industry,
[00:27:57.625] 
people needed this anyway, you know,
[00:28:00.480] 
if you look at the typical exploration project,
[00:28:03.300] 
you’ve got some people at site, maybe logging core,
[00:28:06.450] 
you’ve got a project geo running it
[00:28:08.190] 
from say a Vancouver head office.
[00:28:10.170] 
You might have somebody looking at the QA/QC
[00:28:12.739] 
on assay data from somewhere in Australia,
[00:28:16.330] 
they were already working like this.
[00:28:18.120] 
I think this just sort of hit the fast forward button
[00:28:21.850] 
on things a little bit.
[00:28:25.490] 
<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Yeah, just to, you know, to add onto that,<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
[00:28:28.150] 
there was a great joke that made the rounds
[00:28:30.840] 
about what inspired or what drove you
[00:28:33.120] 
or your digital transformation strategy,
[00:28:35.130] 
was it the CTO, was it the CEO, or was the COVID?
[00:28:38.744] 
And then the answer (chuckles) was COVID.
[00:28:41.240] 
So, you know, we’re seeing in our space
[00:28:45.220] 
something practical as, as you know,
[00:28:47.420] 
the number of seats that can be occupied in the truck
[00:28:49.570] 
to go out to the field and take a measurement
[00:28:51.795] 
and take a reading.
[00:28:52.900] 
In the past, you know, four seats,
[00:28:55.660] 
now two, sometimes one,
[00:28:57.490] 
and just that limit on resources
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is something that you don’t always think about
[00:29:01.101] 
but it certainly impacts your time to getting that data
[00:29:04.127] 
and your time to decision making.
[00:29:08.010] 
<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Yeah, similar to everyone else here, we grew,<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
[00:29:11.960] 
we doubled almost tripled in size in the last year.
[00:29:14.520] 
So again, COVID for us actually drove more adoption
[00:29:18.310] 
and it actually brought more collaboration
[00:29:20.360] 
and I’m sure everyone else had the same experience.
[00:29:23.460] 
But there’s geologists sitting at home now
[00:29:26.530] 
that at the end of the day
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can see how many meters were drilled on site yesterday
[00:29:31.100] 
and what happened, which they couldn’t do before
[00:29:33.890] 
unless they were physically on site
[00:29:35.420] 
or call someone to get an answer.
[00:29:37.110] 
So it’s definitely driven the adoption
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and there’s that need for it.
[00:29:42.560] 
So yeah, it is definitely helped push that along.
[00:29:50.010] 
<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Yeah, we certainly saw an uptake<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
[00:29:52.280] 
in the use of cloud technology at Seequent as well, so.
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Let me-<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed /> 
<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />One last question,<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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oh, sorry, go ahead.
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />I was just kind of questioning, right.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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Like we know, if you’ve heard on LinkedIn
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or read on LinkedIn
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that maybe minerals are the new oil, right.
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And so the economy is going to transition
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that we’re going to require more and more metals for evolution.
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And how is that going to happen without efficiencies, right?
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So if we continue driving the same systems
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that you’ve been driving historically,
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I don’t think that the level of growth
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will get us there.
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However, you know, the adoption of these new technologies
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like the digitalization of these workflows
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to these cloud technologies is showing to be the answer,
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not just because of COVID,
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but I think it is the answer to be cut
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to bring these efficiencies to this science.
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Hmm, yeah, that’s a really good, good point<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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that you raised, Federico.
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I have one last question I was going to ask,
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and it really just comes back
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to what advice we can give companies
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who maybe aren’t using the cloud yet
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or maybe are starting to look at cloud technologies,
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how do they get started?
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And just any kind of tips for them.
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David, did you want to answer first?
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />Sure, I can.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So I think one thing to keep in mind
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is that the barrier to entry with a cloud native application
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is quite a bit less than say something that’s on prem.
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There’s no, like Federico mentioned earlier,
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you don’t have to hire a consultant to come to your site,
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spend some time analyzing what you do
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and then fitting the solution
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and making sure that you have the infrastructure in place
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and everything like that.
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And then that doesn’t become something
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that you have to maintain.
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So in terms of trying out something, you can get in
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and you can try all these types of software quite easily
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with fairly minimal effort.
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And then you can start to see outcomes pretty quickly
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and determine how that’s going to impact your business
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or benefit your business
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without turning it into a six month long project
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or anything like that.
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />I kind of, your question brought a conversation<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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I recently had with a colleague after our acquisition,
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which may not specifically
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be how to get started with the cloud,
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but her comment was, you know,
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«now that Imago is part of a larger organization,
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how will it transform»?
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And I guess what this change means
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is that we can get to a larger audience quicker,
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but it’s also important
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for these companies that are getting started
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is that they support all the smaller organizations
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that are getting started as well.
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So I think one important thing to get started with cloud
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as well is just make sure
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that you give everyone who’s in cloud chance,
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not just the larger players, right,
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because the richer the ecosystem
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the better we’re all going to be.
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />I can add to that as well.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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You know, like David’s point
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is a lot of cloud technologies are easy to trial,
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they don’t take a month to implement,
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you can have the software up and running
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and run a couple of reports
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and see if the system works for you or not.
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It’s the best to just get in there and try it out.
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Again, touching to my point, you know,
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with the risks of cloud based technologies
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and people’s fear of data security, again, it’s trust.
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And to Federico’s point,
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some of these small companies getting started
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they’re not going to have all of the infrastructure
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or some of the, you know, audit capabilities yet,
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but if you trust them
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and they tell you that they’re securing your data,
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that it’s encrypted at rest, you have to trust these guys,
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you have to trust people and experience the software
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because that’s where the benefit is going to come for you.
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And again, also judge on what data needs to be protected
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and what level of protection you need.
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<encoded_tag_open />v -<encoded_tag_closed />That’s good.<encoded_tag_open />/v<encoded_tag_closed />
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Thank you everyone for being here today.
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Before, we kind of close out,
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did anyone have any closing comments
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or anything to add to the discussion
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that I haven’t asked questions about
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or any last pieces of information?
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Nope, all good, okay.
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(all laughing) 
Great.
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Well, thank you to our panelists for being here today
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for the great discussion
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and for our audience, thank you for joining us.
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And we look forward to seeing you
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for the rest of the Lyceum sessions.
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